Talk:High Valyrian Vocabulary
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| + | Hey buddies. In the vocab list ñāmar is listed as 3aq. (3rd type is -or), but ñāmar ends with -ar. Wouldn't that make it 1aq. like embar? Or is this some kind of crazy irregularity thing? (I noticed the agreeing adjective in the example ends in -or: "aōhor ñāmar") --[[User:Marmulak|Marmulak]] 2017-08-05 1:59 IRDT | ||
| + | :You are correct. For the most part if a declension number seems wrong, it probably is. It seems to be one of the most common mistakes we make on the wiki, unfortuntely. --[[User:Iustinus|Iustinus]] 23:54, 6 August 2017 (CDT) | ||
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== How to treat unconfirmed nominatives? == | == How to treat unconfirmed nominatives? == | ||
My question comes because a few sentences from [http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/2014/5/8/high-valyrian-101-learn-and-pronounce-common-phrases High Valyrian 101] at the Making Game of Thrones Blog. Right now I am putting an asterisk before them, for example I listed ''*rhūqes'' "pigeon" (-es being common for animals) which is the genitive ''rhūqo'' in the sentence. Is this appropriate? Otherwise, feel free to comment out these entries until we receive confirmation from DJP. --[[User:Joel|Juelos]] 10:03, 9 May 2014 (CDT) | My question comes because a few sentences from [http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/2014/5/8/high-valyrian-101-learn-and-pronounce-common-phrases High Valyrian 101] at the Making Game of Thrones Blog. Right now I am putting an asterisk before them, for example I listed ''*rhūqes'' "pigeon" (-es being common for animals) which is the genitive ''rhūqo'' in the sentence. Is this appropriate? Otherwise, feel free to comment out these entries until we receive confirmation from DJP. --[[User:Joel|Juelos]] 10:03, 9 May 2014 (CDT) | ||
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:I'm sure that was just a mistake. I do that all the time. --[[User:Iustinus|Iustinus]] 11:43, 10 May 2014 (CDT) | :I'm sure that was just a mistake. I do that all the time. --[[User:Iustinus|Iustinus]] 11:43, 10 May 2014 (CDT) | ||
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| + | == New vocabulary == | ||
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| + | Per my Discord conversation with Najahho, I've compiled various lists of new vocab into one reference point here for discussion/inclusion. "WoLI" refers to DJP's new Wiki of Language Invention; "/work" refers to the GoT subfolders on his personal site. Let me know if anything's unclear! | ||
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| + | '''aen·a''' ''-ys, -on, -or'' (adj.I) accommodating, supportive, reliable < WoLI | ||
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| + | <s>'''ār·o''' ''-a, -un, -or'' (n.3lun) barley < WoLI [cf. ''ārilla'']</s> | ||
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| + | '''arri·gon'''/'''ārri·gon''' ''-on, arrīlen, -tan'' (v.) to show, point out < /work | ||
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| + | '''bek·a''' ''-ys, -on, -or'' (adj.I) regular, normal, usual < WoLI | ||
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| + | '''kimībenk·a''' ''-ys, -on, -or'' (adj.I) talkative, loquacious, garrulous < WoLI | ||
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| + | <s>['''kīvio''' should have a long ''i'']</s> | ||
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| + | <s>'''kostill·a''' ''-i, -un, -ar'' (n.1aq) value, worth, cost, importance < WoLI</s> | ||
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| + | '''kostilloqitt·a''' ''-ys, -on, -or'' (adj.I) worthless, unimportant < /work | ||
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| + | <s>'''kyn·ar''' ''kȳdri, kȳdrun, kȳdrar'' (n.1aq) silk < WoLI</s> | ||
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| + | '''lēde·gon''' ''lēdion, lēdīlen, -tan'' (v.) to close off, shut off, seal up < ''leghagon'' < /work | ||
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| + | '''majēb·agon''' ''-on, -ilen, majēptan'' (v.) to enter, go in < ''maz-'' + ''rēbagon'' < /work | ||
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| + | '''mart·a''' ''-ys, -on, -or'' (adj.I) symmetrical, balanced < WoLI | ||
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| + | '''massīlar·e''' ''-ior'' (adj.II) coming, future, to come < ''massigon'' < /work | ||
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| + | <s>'''ñuqill·a''' ''-i, -un, -ar'' (n.1aq) soap < ''ñuqir'' < WoLI</s> | ||
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| + | '''ob·a''' ''-ys, -on, -or'' (adj.I) curved, bowed, arched, bent, convex < WoLI | ||
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| + | <s>'''obv·os''' ''-ossa, -un, -or'' (n.3sol) arch < http://fiatlingua.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/fl-000054-00.pdf</s> | ||
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| + | <s>'''ojehikn·on''' ''-a, -un, -or'' (n.3ter) blessing < /work</s> | ||
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| + | '''ojeni·gon''' ''-on, ojenīlen, -tan'' (v.) to have sexual intercourse < ''oz-'' + ''renigon'' < WoLI | ||
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| + | '''ong·a''' ''-ys, -on, -or'' (adj.I) crooked, gnarled, wrinkled < WoLI | ||
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| + | <s>'''perzīts·os''' ''-ossa, -un, -or'' (n.3sol) “little flame” < /work</s> | ||
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| + | <s>'''pryjaj·os''' ''-ossa, -un, -or'' (n.3sol) breaker, one who breaks < /work</s> | ||
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| + | <s>'''raob·a''' ''-i, -un, -ar'' (n.1lun) turnip < WoLI</s> | ||
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| + | '''sīl·ie''' ''-ior'' (adj.III) certain, absolute, definite < WoLI | ||
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| + | <s>'''tol·ion''' ''-ia, -ȳn, -ior'' (pron.3ter) the other (abstract) thing < ''tolie'' < /work</s> | ||
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| + | <s>'''vaog·ar''' ''-ri, -run, -rar'' (n.1aq) mud, filth < WoLI</s> | ||
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| + | '''vōk·a''' ''-ys, -on, -or'' (adj.I) pure < WoLI | ||
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| + | '''vōsk·a''' ''-ys, -on, -or'' (adj.I) sacred, precious, holy < WoLI | ||
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| + | --[[User:Braedazmion|Braedazmion]] 18:43, 18 July 2020 (CDT) | ||
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| + | :Thank you, this is great, we should look to add this ASAP. --[[User:Najahho|Najahho]] 18:56, 18 July 2020 (CDT) | ||
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| + | == Notes and References == | ||
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| + | Right now we have a huge list in three columns listing the source for many of the words. Is this really necessary for each? We could probably just mention where most come from (ex: Tumblr) and then make general Notes for those not on there (for example, TV show, other materials, Duolingo) so that we reduce the enormous amount of sources there. Just to make Notes more efficient. --[[User:Najahho|Najahho]] 18:58, 18 July 2020 (CDT) | ||
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| + | == IPA readings == | ||
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| + | We should definitely check and correct most of this, note the readings given in WoLI. --[[User:Najahho|Najahho]] 19:03, 18 July 2020 (CDT) | ||
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| + | :Seems like he went with a pretty broad transcription on WoLI. I do think there's value in the narrower ones we've developed here, though. Which changes are you leaning toward? --[[User:Braedazmion|Braedazmion]] 12:28, 19 July 2020 (CDT) | ||
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| + | ::Sorry, it seems that our transcriptions are not just "broad" they are plain wrong as per David. So I suggest correcting them.--[[User:Najahho|Najahho]] 19:07, 3 October 2020 (CDT) | ||
Latest revision as of 14:34, 5 October 2020
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Ñāmar gender reference
Hey buddies. In the vocab list ñāmar is listed as 3aq. (3rd type is -or), but ñāmar ends with -ar. Wouldn't that make it 1aq. like embar? Or is this some kind of crazy irregularity thing? (I noticed the agreeing adjective in the example ends in -or: "aōhor ñāmar") --Marmulak 2017-08-05 1:59 IRDT
- You are correct. For the most part if a declension number seems wrong, it probably is. It seems to be one of the most common mistakes we make on the wiki, unfortuntely. --Iustinus 23:54, 6 August 2017 (CDT)
How to treat unconfirmed nominatives?
My question comes because a few sentences from High Valyrian 101 at the Making Game of Thrones Blog. Right now I am putting an asterisk before them, for example I listed *rhūqes "pigeon" (-es being common for animals) which is the genitive rhūqo in the sentence. Is this appropriate? Otherwise, feel free to comment out these entries until we receive confirmation from DJP. --Juelos 10:03, 9 May 2014 (CDT)
- I generally do comment out such swords until I get confirmation. I wasn't planning to add those entries until I blogged about hem on my journal, and I'll probably hold off on editing your contributions until then too. But you did a good job overall, and it's about time that someone broke my monopoly here anyway. --Iustinus 11:38, 9 May 2014 (CDT)
- I have a full draft of the post, just need to proofread it. So it will probably go up some time today, jaelaros Jaeso. --Iustinus 11:43, 10 May 2014 (CDT)
Pie
I was thinking about lōtinti... Can it be the accusative singular of a substantivized form of something like lōtinta, from a verb like lōtinagon "to bake"? Has DJP said something about it? lōtinagon > lōtinta > lōtinty > lōtinti? Since we're basically saying "(I want/I'll have/etc.) pigeon pie again, please."
And why did you list nopāzma as aquatic? Did DJP say something about it? -Papaya
- I'm sure that was just a mistake. I do that all the time. --Iustinus 11:43, 10 May 2014 (CDT)
New vocabulary
Per my Discord conversation with Najahho, I've compiled various lists of new vocab into one reference point here for discussion/inclusion. "WoLI" refers to DJP's new Wiki of Language Invention; "/work" refers to the GoT subfolders on his personal site. Let me know if anything's unclear!
aen·a -ys, -on, -or (adj.I) accommodating, supportive, reliable < WoLI
ār·o -a, -un, -or (n.3lun) barley < WoLI [cf. ārilla]
arri·gon/ārri·gon -on, arrīlen, -tan (v.) to show, point out < /work
bek·a -ys, -on, -or (adj.I) regular, normal, usual < WoLI
kimībenk·a -ys, -on, -or (adj.I) talkative, loquacious, garrulous < WoLI
[kīvio should have a long i]
kostill·a -i, -un, -ar (n.1aq) value, worth, cost, importance < WoLI
kostilloqitt·a -ys, -on, -or (adj.I) worthless, unimportant < /work
kyn·ar kȳdri, kȳdrun, kȳdrar (n.1aq) silk < WoLI
lēde·gon lēdion, lēdīlen, -tan (v.) to close off, shut off, seal up < leghagon < /work
majēb·agon -on, -ilen, majēptan (v.) to enter, go in < maz- + rēbagon < /work
mart·a -ys, -on, -or (adj.I) symmetrical, balanced < WoLI
massīlar·e -ior (adj.II) coming, future, to come < massigon < /work
ñuqill·a -i, -un, -ar (n.1aq) soap < ñuqir < WoLI
ob·a -ys, -on, -or (adj.I) curved, bowed, arched, bent, convex < WoLI
obv·os -ossa, -un, -or (n.3sol) arch < http://fiatlingua.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/fl-000054-00.pdf
ojehikn·on -a, -un, -or (n.3ter) blessing < /work
ojeni·gon -on, ojenīlen, -tan (v.) to have sexual intercourse < oz- + renigon < WoLI
ong·a -ys, -on, -or (adj.I) crooked, gnarled, wrinkled < WoLI
perzīts·os -ossa, -un, -or (n.3sol) “little flame” < /work
pryjaj·os -ossa, -un, -or (n.3sol) breaker, one who breaks < /work
raob·a -i, -un, -ar (n.1lun) turnip < WoLI
sīl·ie -ior (adj.III) certain, absolute, definite < WoLI
tol·ion -ia, -ȳn, -ior (pron.3ter) the other (abstract) thing < tolie < /work
vaog·ar -ri, -run, -rar (n.1aq) mud, filth < WoLI
vōk·a -ys, -on, -or (adj.I) pure < WoLI
vōsk·a -ys, -on, -or (adj.I) sacred, precious, holy < WoLI
--Braedazmion 18:43, 18 July 2020 (CDT)
- Thank you, this is great, we should look to add this ASAP. --Najahho 18:56, 18 July 2020 (CDT)
Notes and References
Right now we have a huge list in three columns listing the source for many of the words. Is this really necessary for each? We could probably just mention where most come from (ex: Tumblr) and then make general Notes for those not on there (for example, TV show, other materials, Duolingo) so that we reduce the enormous amount of sources there. Just to make Notes more efficient. --Najahho 18:58, 18 July 2020 (CDT)
IPA readings
We should definitely check and correct most of this, note the readings given in WoLI. --Najahho 19:03, 18 July 2020 (CDT)
- Seems like he went with a pretty broad transcription on WoLI. I do think there's value in the narrower ones we've developed here, though. Which changes are you leaning toward? --Braedazmion 12:28, 19 July 2020 (CDT)
- Sorry, it seems that our transcriptions are not just "broad" they are plain wrong as per David. So I suggest correcting them.--Najahho 19:07, 3 October 2020 (CDT)
